Posted: 12:18 pm Wednesday, February 19th, 2014

Harvey-Clemons just the latest to fall short of UGA’s disciplinary requirements 

By Chip Towers

ATHENS – Josh Harvey-Clemons is no longer a Georgia Bulldog. The former 5-star signee was dismissed by coach Mark Richt on Tuesday for a team rules violation.

It was at least the third strike from a disciplinary standpoint for the sophomore safety. Harvey-Clemons was in the midst of a four-game suspension for second violation of athletic association’s drug guidelines, the AJC confirmed last month. Georgia, as is its policy, has not specified what happened to precipitate this latest action.

As for his dismissal, one would think that places Harvey-Clemons in exclusive company. But it does not.

By my count, that’s more than two dozen players who have left the Georgia program with eligibility remaining since 2010. The majority of those have been for disciplinary reasons. At the moment I don’t know how that compares league wide. Suffice it to say, the attrition seems high. And it’s not limited to also-rans.

Harvey-Clemons joins former 5-star running back Isaiah Crowell, 4-star defensive back-turned-quarterback Nick Marshall and quarterback Zach Mettenberger in being handed their walking papers by Georgia. But as we know, UGA is one of the SEC’s most stringent teams when it comes to discipline. And that’s something for which neither Richt nor Greg McGarity apologize.

The Bulldogs, of course, are among the minority in the conference that takes away playing time for a first-offense of the team’s drug policy. LSU’s Tyrann Mathieu and Florida’s Aaron Hernandez are among former players who have said they violated their school’s drug policies multiple times without having to sit out from competition. LSU finally booted Mathieu in 2012.

Former UGA President Michael Adams was a proponent of establishing a league-wide drug policy, if not disciplinary standards. That, of course, never happened and remains a controversial issue at the SEC.

I’m going to refrain from commentary here and instead leave that you folks. Let me know how you feel about UGA’s stance on discipline and drug use in particular. However, please keep it clean and philosophical. We’ll have no choice but to ban those who cant’ discuss the issue maturely and intelligently.

In the meantime, here’s a working list of attrition UGA has endured in the last four years for various circumstances. It does not include signees who were unable to meet academic entrance requirements. I may have overlooked something so let me know ifs you think I did and we’ll add it.

DEPARTED DOGS
Player, year — Comment
DB Josh Harvey-Clemons, 2014 — Dismissed for multiple rules violations
QB Christian LeMay, 2013 — Transferred for lack of playing time
DB Shaquille Fluker, 2013 — Transferred for lack of playing time
TE Ty Flournoy-Smith — Dismissed for multiple rules violations.
LB Alec Ogletree, 2012 – Multiple-game suspension for drug-policy violations
DB Bacarri Rambo, 2012 — Multiple-game suspension for drug-policy violations
TB Carlton Thomas, 2012 — Quit team after multiple suspensions
WR Sanford Seay, 2012 –Dismissed for rules violations.
DB Chris Sanders, 2012 — Dismissed for rules violations.
DB Nick Marshall, 2012 — Dismissed for rules violations.
TB Isaiah Crowell, 2012 — Dismissed after arrest on felony gun charges.
CB Sanders Commings, 2012 — Two-game suspension for off-season arrest
CB Branden Smith, 2012 — Disciplined for off-season arrest
CB Jordan Love, 2012 — Transferred for lack of playing time
LB Marcus Dowtin, 2011 — Dismissed for failing to reveal off-season arrest.
TB Caleb King, 2011 — Ruled academically ineligible.
DB Jakar Hamilton, 2011 — Transferred due to lack of playing time
DB Derek Owens, 2011 — Transferred due to lack of playing time
OL Brent Benedict,  2011 — Transferred due to philosophical differences with UGA’s strength staff.
OL A.J. Harmon, 2011 — Transferred due to academic difficulties
RB Washaun Ealey, 2011 — Transferred after multiple disciplinary run-ins
LB Nick Williams, 2011 — Transferred due to lack of playing time
DB Makiri Pugh, 2010 — Transferred due to lack of playing time at UGA.
QB Zach Mettenberger, 2010 — Dismissed after conviction for sexual battery.
TB Dontavius Jackson, 2010 — Dismissed following suspension for DUI arrest.
LB Demetre Baker, 2010 — Dismissed following DUI arrest.
DE Montez Robinson, 2010 — Dismissed after arrest on domestic violence charges

 

187 comments
POAD2013
POAD2013

Black History Month has been eventful at UGa..........

willdawg
willdawg

After reading several posts, it is evident that disciplinary action should be taken by the conference in some cases.  It is time to list all offenses and what is punishable by the schools and what is punishable by the SEC.  Punishment by the league has to take away these athlete's playing time or dismissal from their team.  I am thinking drug related offenses and even physical attacks by players on others.  I think a good case in point is Hill, the LSU RB.  The SEC should step in when you have an athlete in your conference who is currently on PROBATION and goes out and attacks someone from behind, while on PROBATION.  No way should this be acceptable behavior by the SEC or any other conference.  There is no room for this in collegiate atheletics.  The kid was on Probation and the school utlitmately leaves it up to the coach, who ultimately leaves it up to a vote by the team.  There should be consequences to actions with some being greater depending on the athlete's actions.  The NCAA is not going to take a stance, so I believe it is up to the conference's to come up with league wide disciplne for their student-athletes. 

Delusionaldog
Delusionaldog

I saw where they make custom energy drinks/shakes at Tennessee. 


What's next? Custom buds? Custom THC levels?

Classof98
Classof98

"And that’s something for which neither Richt nor Greg McGarity apologize."


If we go 8-5 again, Richt and McGarity can go be disciplinarians and show tough love at some other school.



TampaD
TampaD

The article makes it seem that all of those kids above were kicked or transferred .. some just went to the NFL or did graduate such as B. Smith and A. Ogletree.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

What was the "philosophical differences" with the OL man.

LADawg
LADawg

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gbal
gbal

CHIP -


YOU OERLOOKD THE FACT THATTHE TITLE SAYS DISCIPLINARY ISSUES AND YOUR LIST INLUDES 10 OTHER KIDS.... MOST OF WHOME LEFTDUE TO PLAY TIME>

gbal
gbal

It is  tough situation.... The toughest part is that most or many don't truely understand or admit how widespread pot and other drug use really is in HS/College. We want to say "These Atheletes"  or UGA Atheletes.... Folks it is the general population!!!  16 kids listed here as being booted for drug violations.... Say 145 or so kids have been involve in he FB team over this 5 year priod??? +/-  That is 11% +/-   .....


I assure you that 11% of the general HS/College population is using some type of illegal drug.


Doesn't make it right for anybody but the problem is not an athelete or UGA athelete problem. . The difference is that these kids are on scholarship, exposed to testing, where the general population is not.


An then UGA has his first strike...punishment rule that exposes these kids.


I am for it,  just saying the problem is a lot more than what we read here.


BMOC_
BMOC_

6 of the 27 players above over a period of 4-5 years left due to 'lack of playing time'.  That should make people wonder if UGA is evaluating & recruiting talent correctly. 

As for the others, sometimes kids get into trouble.  Others are just trouble makers.  Oh well.

Dawggie
Dawggie

It's idiocy to compete in the SEC with one hand tied behind your back, which is what UGA's athletic department has its coaches doing.

A program cannot stay on an equal footing with the better SEC opponents as long as we have different (tougher) rules than those opponents.

Protest if you must, that the rules need to be tougher, but play by the EVERYBODY ELSE'S RULES until changes are made.

96JB
96JB

Thanks for posting this list. I posted about 3-4 months ago about roster mgt issues in Athens and people thought I was nuts. Our depth and bench strength has been a problem the last 2-3 years. When you have a player hurt or kicked off the team and you replace him with a walk on vs another 4 or 5 star player, it hurts.

gbal
gbal

Just a comment about the piece....


If it is about discipline and drug use, make your list just include those gone due to discipline.   Adding the 10 that left for paly time issues is extremely misleading. This is a common practice by AJC writers. These 10 left and were replaced by recruits that may be good enough to earn play time.


As for the policy at UGA.... I am all behind it. Stick by your guns UGA. And the rest of the conference should join.



coj
coj

In any institution, there are rules and regulations a person must follow or suffer the consequences. When you participate in college football, student athletes have to step up to their responsibilities in the next step of their careers. With each step comes more responsibilities and these players must learn discipline and controlling their impulsive behaviors or society will chew them up and spit them out.

rickfire
rickfire

No wonder JHC's grandfather wanted him to go to Florida. The first two positve marijuana tests would have been ignored. He'd still be playing, albeit at Florida, if grandpa had his way.

Come on Slive stop "discussing" these league-wide drug and disciplinary issues and do something. Do you really want to allow SEC schools to ignore multiple positive drug tests?

It's time for a league-wide laundry list of offenses and mandatory penalties/suspensions. No exceptions. If the offense is not on the league-wide list, it should be required to be submitted to the SEC for appropriate action.

A final example. AJ Johnson, star LB at UT, was recently arrested for furnishing alcohol to a minor and resisting arrest. Butch Jones issued no suspension, saying he will "handle it internally."

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

So UGA's strick drug policy is the reason they don't/can't win a NC? Truth is some of you UGA fans need to check the water supply system. Nick has signed many Georgia players and many of them have been in trouble from the get go.

class80olddog
class80olddog

What I don't understand - at UGA or any other school - is why kids that get arrested for drugs are even allowed to stay in school, period.  Whether they are football players or not.  I think if you get busted, you should be thrown out of school - anyone.

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

Just one time I would like to see Ga dismiss a guy, and not turn around and pat themselves on the back for discipline. " Mark Richt is tough on discipline". What a joke. His first 4 years the program was out of control with discipline problems and he didn't do much. The administration got fed up and forced stronger rules out of necessity. If the school would weed these potential guys out the 1st semester like regular students, it would avoid the enevitable. But let's face it, the players get a pass in the classroom. The classroom could do the job for you. These guys couldn't get thru normal college classes.    

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

Another issue is how do our local police arrest every player they meet, but Tuscaloosa police do not? Also our local media spreads this news all over the AJC while local Alabama media covers it up. look at Nick Sabans daughter beating up that girl. It barely made headlines while JHC is going on three days of full coverage with the local AJC clowns giving their opinion.

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

We are not stricter then any other programs...except Miami, Bama and OSU, but itss just Athens is a fun town. I mean its a regular Buorbon Street on weekends. Of course kids are getting in trouble, but do we want to shut down the bar scene? Uhhh no.

RedandBlackDAWG
RedandBlackDAWG

Red and Black DAWG Ignores Troll's Comments

These kids know the rules when they sign on to UGA. If they choose to sign, when they most likely also know the rules of some, not mentioning names, schools without such a strict code of rules for their athletes. I guess for some, it is too hard a standard to meet, maybe because of their back ground or maybe they just aren't mature enough to know that a person is only as good as his words and actions are. Maybe they equate being a good player to being able to break the rules, but they know them and they choose to try and get away with stuff.

It may even cost UGA a win here or there, but I am glad to see that the standards are not only advertised but kept by the UGA athletic department. All may not agree with the laws governing the shaping of these rules, but if you sign a piece of paper saying you will obey the rules and then decide to break them anyway, you have to face the consequences.

UGA cares about the student and athlete as a person as well as how well they perform in their sport. That should be something a parent thinks about when encouraging his or her son to pick one college or another.

I am sure in a lot of cases, it might work against UGA because they are strict, but I would think a parent wants to know that their kid isn't just some piece of meat, to be used by the college and then discarded. Too many programs do that and if the kid doesn't make it to the NFL, all he has is memories and poor job prospects. UGA actually requires them to do school work. Who would have thought. They might not graduate with a degree that translates straight into a career without some OJT, but it shows perspective employers that the young man is ambitious and will most likely have a successful career with their company. In a lot of cases, even if they leave early for the NFL, these young men return to their respective schools, to complete their degree. That is a sign of maturity.

gomdawg
gomdawg

MIKEMIXON , DO YOU HAVE A SON , IF YOU DO WOULD YOU LET HIM SMOKE MARIJUANA.

SECOND HE KNEW THAT IT WAS A TEAM POLICY , AND DID IT NOT ONCE NOT TWICE BUT THREE TIMES HE HAD 8 GAMES LEFT WITH GEORGIA AND TURN PRO . SO YOU WATCH THIS KID WHEN HE GOES PRO AND GETS ALL THIS MONEY THE DRUGS WILL GROW  10 YEARS BROKE.

MikeMixon
MikeMixon

I think the university should revisit its stance on marijuana. Its only a matter of time before it's legal in our state. Times have changed and earth to old people (me included) marijuana to these kids today are like cigarettes to those in the 60s ... Readily available and enjoyed by many.

Yes it's illegal ... But I think at least from a marijuana standpoint the discipline needs to be lessoned to at least be alone the lines of the rest of the schools in the SEC. drinking and drivingand hard core drugs I understand but we must align with the times when it comes to marijuana. Politicians will only get younger and that next wave will make the changes anyway. Its inevitable.

POAD2013
POAD2013

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gbal
gbal

Believe it or not!!!

Dawgs_On_Top
Dawgs_On_Top

@gbal  No to mention, the other half of the list includes players who finished their career at UGA and entered the NFL Draft (Commings, Smith, Rambo, ect...).  Granted Ogletree left his Jr. year, but that was because he was so talented, not because he and UGA parted ways.


What a misleading/misinformed article.  Am I shocked?  Absolutely not, it's the AJC for Christ sakes.

LHardingDawg
LHardingDawg

I noticed the same thing with the list of players. I'm sure the Georgia Bulldogs is not the only team that loses players due to lack of playing time. Why lump these guys in with the players that actually got kicked off the team.

Classof98
Classof98

@class80olddog  You should get thrown out of school for a misdemeanor?  How about jaywalking on Lumpkin Avenue?  Should a student be expelled for that??

class80olddog
class80olddog

"His first 4 years the program was out of control with discipline problems and he didn't do much. "

Weren't those his best winning years?

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

Alabama has had a TON of players who could barely spell their name get through bama without a peep and then go to NFL to cause trouble. Some schools have help...some don't.

Even those kids playing the knock out game last year were not kicked off until a week later.

WhiskeyBreath
WhiskeyBreath

@AlternativeDawg I respect your lifestyle, but you couldn't be more off.

Why attack Bama when your school has the problem?

And for the record, we lately have had some arrest that we are not proud of.

As far as Saban's daughter goes, how  dare you attack a man's daughter?

She doesn't play football. Besides ,  a judge dismissed the case in her favor.

The other girl went to her room , looked her up , and Saban's daughter kicked her butt.

Dumb alternative lifestyle humper.  

96JB
96JB

@MikeMixon It'll be a sad day when that happens. The stuff is bad for you and society.

class80olddog
class80olddog

"marijuana to these kids today are like cigarettes to those in the 60s ... Readily available and enjoyed by many. "

Except that marijuana is illegal and cigarettes were legal. 

RedandBlackDAWG
RedandBlackDAWG

@MikeMixon Mike, until the law is repealed, it still will not make it right, and UGA is simply following the law. These kids know the standards and rules when they sign with UGA. If they don't feel they can keep them, they shouldn't sign in the first place.

If the future politicians change the law, perhaps then UGA will have to take a look at their code of conduct, but right now, it isn't changed. Discipline of one's own conduct is a part of maturity.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@MikeMixon Mike we live in the bible belt, keep in mind we just started being able to buy beer when we get out of church.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

You're full of sheet barner. 50 % of your black football players at the cow college don't graduate! FAU finished 86th in the country. Run over to the daily Gus circle jerk at al.cow after all the barn complex owns that site.

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

So the head coaches wife acting a fool is not news, but how many Alabama newspapers put out articles on Gus Malzahns wife when she spoke at that church. And the stories were based on a video that was editied by a bama guy.

Did Nick Saban's daughter get on twitter bashing Cam Newtons? Didnt Alabama play preacher man when Cam beat ya'll. Lets not get too high an mighty.

As for bama's arrest.....Dre Kilpatrick was a total weed head but only got arrested when he went to Florida a week after his last games. What was that linebacker who played for the Raiders. he was a choir boy until AFTER he left bama?

My point and you seem too focused on my name to understand is that AJC covers JHC over and over. bama arrest are given much less exposure. look at those three kids last year who assulted and robbed people. Heck one of them is back on the team on scholarship! How is that not MAJOR news.....cause the local media insulates the tahd. Just like the high school coaches and Mark Emmert.

RedandBlackDAWG
RedandBlackDAWG

@PigIron @RedandBlackDAWGJHC wasn't arrested by the police. He violated the rules and was dismissed from UGA. A little difference there. Last year Alabama had the most players in trouble with the law, with 6 instances. UGA was tied for number 6 with three other schools at 3 arrest. Does that mean that Alabama is the current Fulmer Cup Champ then?

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

@96JB I am going to assume your for doing away with distilled beverages also.

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

So Cam coming back every spring the past two years is not to get his degree? I am confused.

Also...to be a cow college Auburn sure has an impressive list of CEOs and Leaders from the school. Director of NSA, CEO of Apple, Isreali Air Force COmmander, Academy Award winner, Vodaphone CEO. Did you go to bama....sport?

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Cam came back but in no way did he get a degree! Trent left in 3 years and received 16 million bucks with a 13 million siging bonus so his degree isn't a big item. Keep blasting Bama sport if it makes your team appear better.

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

What is a barner. Did you graduate from bammer? Also, is Trent Richardson and the long list of NFL picks out of bama getting their degrees? I think Cam is going back to get his.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

any Bama player arrest has been posted all over the barn site called al.com. The barn complex owns that site and that is how they get out their message for the day. Nobody esle gives FAU the time of day.